| Los Angeles PUA Summit 2007 Summary, pt. 2 |
| Posted by Khiem in: Community News & Events, First Impressions, Product Reviews |
This is the continuation of my previous Los Angeles PUA Summit 2007 Summary, pt. 1 post.
SUNDAY 08/26
7:45 a.m.: I wake up. I’m still tired from yesterday, but I get ready and head to the Roosevelt. The Way of the Superior Man: The Teaching Sessions is currently playing in my CD player but I’m really not in the mood for that. Who cares about masculine and feminine energy if I can only open my eyes half-way? (Ok, fine. I’m Asian and have slanted eyes, so what? lol) I quickly switch to some hit music station. Bam bam beedee boom boom. Ahhh, that’s better.
8:45 a.m.: I’m greeted at the door by RadiantSun’s smile (formerly known as the “White Woman” if you’ve been reading some of my previous entries this year). I’m so happy to see her! I feel like I haven’t talked to her in ages. I give her a nice hug. As I like to say: it’s not a hug until you feel the titties squish! She’s wearing a yellow shirt today. I let her do her thing. She’s helping Christina (Johnny Wolf’s sister) check-in the guests.
9:00 a.m.: Johnny Soporno talks about “Seductive Reasoning.” At first, I thought his talk would not fit the PUA philosophy and ethos because he has easy access to women due to his involvement in the porn industry. However, I quickly realize that he has something very unique to share. Unlike the majority of PUAs who are focused on “client acquisition,” he prefers to put all his efforts on “client retention.” He compares PUAs to a salesmen who are trying to convince a customer to buy a product, whereas he simply defines the clear expectations of the relationship and allow the woman to choose freely to be with him or not.
“Women are not property to be acquired. You can’t own them. Therefore if you want to be together, it’s a choice.” To reinforce his philosophy, Johnny Soporno has two rules for the women he dates:
- He can’t be the only cock the woman is having
- She can’t be the jealous type and must be ok with him having multiple girlfriends
Seen in this new light, the combination of the words “seductive” and “reasoning” makes perfect sense. Johnny Soporno comes across as very sexually open and confident. He looks very grounded and on more than a few instances, I was endeared by the quick tender moments he shared with his porn star girlfriend Violet Marcell. I believe he’s onto something
9:30 a.m.: I knew nothing about Adam Lyons. I know he is well-recognized in the UK for founding the Hitch Academy and the London Seduction Society but what intrigues me is not his credentials. It is the UK Channel 4 camera crew that keeps following him everywhere since yesterday. It turns out they are filming a documentary on “The Rules of Attraction” that will air sometimes in October/November. His hot tall, dark hair girlfriend is also enough to draw attention.
I consider Adam to be the pleasant surprise speaker for the weekend. I really like what he had to say. Instead of teaching specific techniques, he talks about entourage game. Everywhere he goes, he uses social proof as his attraction tool. He walks in clubs with 4 other guys and up to 50 girls with him. That’s a 5-10 girls to guy ratio!
10:15 a.m.: Tung from Social Relations Institute is also an unknown to me. I noticed him in the room yesterday because he came in with Carly (the pretty blonde I mentioned in my previous post). If you aren’t aware yet, the perceived stereotype in the U.S. is that any Asian guy walking in with a white girl is an event to celebrate of its own. I think it’s kind of stupid but go Tung! LOL
Tung talks about being well-intentioned. Any techniques you use can work as long as it comes from the right place. He invites a few members of the audience on stage to demonstrate how the same words can have very different meanings when spoken with different tones or body language. Tung doesn’t come across as well-prepared as some of the other speakers but I like his message. It’s something that is not talked about enough in the Community. I once had a discussion with Radiant Sun about ethics in pick-up. I know it sounds cheesy but “With great power comes great responsibilities.”
Break: I go and talk to Amanda (Adam’s girlfriend) for a few minutes. She happens to live out of Dallas, TX. OMG, I used to live there! My main question to her is: “so what do you think of Pick-Up Artists? Do you find them charming?” Her answer: “Of course! All PUAs are charming.” I guess she has only met the cool, non-creepy ones
11:15 a.m.: Thundercat talks about not being ashamed to be male. He explains that most men are afraid of hot women because of the fear of being judged, not rejection. As such, he encourages men to shed their limiting beliefs but to also let go of the desire to judge women on a rating scale. His rating scale has only 2 options: good enough and not good enough. By being non-judgmental, people will feel more attracted to you. Good stuff.
12:00 p.m.: puaL from the Vybe List/NYC Lair is up. I don’t know what to expect from him but his genuineness touches me. As he talks about his experience through the Community and the joy he gets from helping new students, he gets teary-eyed. puAL encourages guys to experiment with openers that are not supposed to work. Being a great PUA is about mastering the delivery and being able to improv in the moment. Some of the examples he uses can be deemed offensive to girls but hey, it is quite entertaining and gets the point across.
Lunch: I join Adam Lyons, Tung, their respective girlfriends, Radiant Sun and a few other people to Hooters. I really don’t remember what we talk about but there is something fun about hanging with people who don’t take themselves too seriously. They have a very natural magnetic vibe to themselves. I feel like I have known them forever.
2:30 p.m.: I miss most of Grungey10’s presentation as we stayed at Hooters longer than expected. He talks about day game. The little techniques that he shares sounds good but I don’t find anything really new for me.
I don’t remember when it happened but at some point, Don Diego Garcia and Evolve from StyleLife Academy showed up. They received an award on Neil Strauss’ behalf. I didn’t talk to either of them but for some reason, I found Don Diego’s vibe to be a bit guarded, even though friendly. By comparison, Evolve’s vibe seemed more attractive and relaxed.
3:30 p.m.: David Wygant opens his presentation with “There is no such thing as picking-up women.” He wants every guy to create a a lifestyle in which you can meet and connect with high quality women anywhere, anytime. It’s about being social with everyone. It’s about being interesting. It’s about being amazing so you can be the story in the woman’s life. David does not hold back when he makes fun of “card trick man” or “palm reading man” because in the end, you shoud not be a “carnival act.”
I was afraid David would have turned off the majority of guys in the room for being so bold but surprisingly, he was the only presenter throughout the weekend that received a standing ovation.
4:30 p.m.: I watch the buzz that David Wygant created in the hallway from his speech so I miss most of the presentation from the Rapid Intimacy Social Education (RISE) guys. Some female guests of the hotel sees David being photographed against the PUA Summit backdrop. After finding out that he is supposedly the inspiration for the movie Hitch, the 2 women take pictures with him. While the door is still open, I take notice of the RISE guys’s dancing demonstration. It was an illustration of how a guy should learn to lead. Cool show but I really have no idea how good their presentation was.
Break: I chit chat with Radiant Sun for a bit. She didn’t like the RISE guys that much. Eh…
5:45 p.m.: Chris “Orleans” from Vin Dicarlo talks about the Kino Escalation Ladder. He’s young (20 yrs old) when compared to the rest of the speakers but I can tell from the way he carries himself that he’s quite an accomplished PUA. I enjoy his explanation of the ladder but I have heard it so many times before that I only listen to him half-heartedly. All I have to say is that the escalation ladder works very well. Incidental kino is also the best way to create physical comfort with a woman.
6:30 p.m.: Johnny Wolf talks about his journey into PUA-dom and reflects on his same night pull of one of the dancers he met yesterday night. As he speaks, I approach Christina.
Me: Is it weird to hear your brother talk about bedding another woman?
Her: Yeah, kinda. That’s why I had to step outside for a little bit.
I don’t stay for the end of Johnny’s presentation. I walk outside with Alain to watch the UK Channel 4 TV guys film some guys do street approaches. It’s good. The guys actually get some phone numbers.
7:30 p.m.: I come back for parts of the PUA Panel. The audience gets the chance to ask a lot of questions and receives feedback from the PUA speakers. I almost ask: “So what’s the dark side of being a PUA?” but I hold off. Maybe next time, I will. While the camera is rolling, I see Vince Kelvin and his wife make out on stage. I don’t mind quick public display of affection between husband and wife but I think that was a bit too much.
CONCLUSION
The weekend was long and exhausting. I really enjoyed everything I got to see. I made some new friends from the audience and volunteers and I really got to see what the Seduction Community was about. Without all these people, there wouldn’t be a community. There is a lot of people out there who want to improve themselves and help you do the same. If you have just been keyboard jokeying for a while, I think it’s time for you to find some local people in your city to meet. Seeing someone in person is far more educational that reading about it online. There are a lot of subtle nuances that you can’t describe through written words.
Watching the speakers’ vibe was the most important aspect of the summit. I noticed that a lot of the natural game speakers shared a similar vibe. I could see myself hanging out with them as friends. They don’t take themselves seriously and aren’t trying to impress anyone. They carry a very strong energy and presence. The more indirect speakers were good but in a different way. I could see myself going to the club with them because they are mad fun. They know how to create a party but when I just want to chill and not focus on meeting women, I don’t know if I could hang with them. The constant desire to be on the hunt and the techno-jumbo speak would annoy me in the long run.
I realize that there really is a little bit of everything for everyone. If you are looking for techniques to get the girl, you will find the techniques to do just that. If you want to use a more natural approach for meeting and dating women, you will find that too. You WILL find what you’re searching for. However a lot of times, guys really don’t know what they want. In their journey of self-improvement, they just learn and accept the various gurus’ teachings as the gospel.
I hope that people take the time to unplug themselves from the Community from time to time so they can ask themselves: what is right for me? What is healthy? What is ethical? What do I want?
On that note, I leave you with a few more pictures. Tomorrow, Radiant Sun will have a guest post of her own experience at the PUA Summit as a woman.
Ta-da!
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September 6th, 2007 at 7:50 am
Thanks for wrapping up a great weekend. This post has been long anticipated by a lot of people.
September 6th, 2007 at 10:45 am
Your presence there totally helped me feel more comfortable . . . it was like you were my anchor or something
September 6th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
this was a solid summary of the weekend. thank you for the sweet words… yeah, even the girlfriends read up on this kind of thing. it was good to meet you, hun!
September 7th, 2007 at 2:15 am
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September 7th, 2007 at 11:40 pm
Great summary! Makes it up for those of us for whom it’s impossible to attend and still get something out of it.
February 8th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
This was interesting. You seem very knowledgeable in your field.
February 8th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
Hey Eric,
I’m glad you enjoyed my summary. I actually met you before but haven’t really spoken to you much. My buddy Jack Bao went to one of your seminars on my behalf.
You always have good stuff going