| Weekend Bootcamp With Adam Lyons |
| Posted by Khiem in: Articles, Product Reviews |
Bootcamps are always an interesting affair.
From a student/client’s perspective, you are there to absorb as much as you can, see how things are done in-field and you hope that you get enough 1-on-1 attention to kick your game up a notch even though… this is just the beginning for you.
From an instructor’s perspective, bootcamps are always hard work. If you care for your clients/students, you make sure they are learning and improving under your watch but you also want to make sure they are having a good time. Sometimes, you have to sacrifice your own fun to make sure the student/client is doing ok. Sometimes, you have enough good instructors with you that you can afford to get a little enjoyment yourself while on the job.
Overall, it takes a lot of energy out of you if you are an instructor. Everyone learns at a different pace. Give the students/clients too much theory and they get bored. Give them too little role play, not enough drills and too few exercises and they don’t internalize the concept. In field, if you don’t walk them through the process at first and if you don’t give them enough personal attention, they feel lost.
By the end of a bootcamp, I want a client/student to gain enough social awareness so that he can navigate any social interactions with confidence. If he can do that, he shouldn’t have too much trouble attracting more women in his life afterwards and if he can follow-up with these women… [smile]
So this past weekend, I agreed to help Adam Lyons run his very first U.S. bootcamp alongside Johnny Wolf and Adam’s girlfriend Amanda. We had 4 students coming in and we had 4 instructors.
Let me tell you, the weekend turned out to be one of the most fun bootcamp I’ve ever participated in. I’m not sure if I can credit this to Amanda as she brought balance to this highly testosteroned environment or if it was because… when you hang out with truly exceptional guys, whatever you do always turns out fun.
Friday evening started well. As I was waiting in Sky Bar with Amanda for the students to arrive, Johnny Wolf ended up talking to Ivanka Trump in the lobby. When he told me the story, I was like “WHAT? Why wasn’t I there to witness this?”. The funny thing was that Johnny introduced Adam to her when he walked by. However, Adam being oblivious to who she was, said hello then completely ignored her. LOL, wtf? Yea, I couldn’t believe it. Go read Johnny’s account of it on his blog if you want to know more.
After a while, we started lecture with only 2 out of the 4 students showing up. I’ve seen students arrive very late for bootcamps before but I’ve never seen students not show up. It was a great benefit for the guys who came out but for the instructors, it was a little bit of a letdown, especially when Johnny Wolf pumped us all up with the slooooowwwwweeeest and most romantic music EVER in his car beforehand. Forget trance, house or hip hop music. (Emotional) State building music is all about the romantic beats!
That night, Adam covered his formula for attraction, kino and body language, social proof and the 4 justifications to get a girl’s number.
Without giving too much away, Adam’s formula for natural attraction is:
(Comfort - Rapport) + Qualification + Sexual Escalation = Attraction
Comfort is where you start with normal casual conversation to build familiarity with the other person. You are demonstrating passive value in your life and you should try to meet everyone in the club quickly to build intrigue and social proof.
Rapport break is when you spice things up. You show that you are willing to walk away from the interaction by not letting things get too cozy. You are doing something to add a sense of excitement, danger, conflict with sexually suggestive remarks (innuendos or statements of intents), teasing, vocalizing disagreement, etc.
Qualification is when you get someone to invest more time, resources, effort and energy in you as a sign of interest in wanting to be with you.
Sexual escalation is when you turn the vibe more intimate, romantic and seductive by slowing everything down, deepening your voice, using more fliratious touching and doing the triangle gaze (holding eye contact with the girl, going from eye to eye to lips).
The 4 justifications for asking for contact information are:
- network/work reasons
- social/party reasons
- place of interest (restaurants, museums… etc)
- direct interest (because you like them)
Adam was a great teacher. He explained things succinctly without overwhelming you with too many technical details. He would use personal examples to illustrate the important points.
If you have studied natural game for a while like I have, you realize that all natural gurus pretty much preach the same things. They just emphasize various aspects of natural game and tell you to use certain techniques in different order or with a different combination. For me, what I got from the lecture was that I should sometimes use more physical push/pull, not just verbal push/pull.
The evening was a little adventure by itself. Everyone started getting cold as we sat outside on Sky Bar’s patio fighting the chilly weather. Eventually, we had to move lecture location 3 times in search for a little warmth. However, even the heating lamps weren’t enough for Adam’s well-being so a kind waitress found us towels to wrap ourselves under.
The rest of the night went without a hitch. Once the venue started getting crowded, the students practiced doing quick 5 minutes interactions to build social proof. Adam met the owner of “Girls Gone Wild” and an older woman who owned a few porn companies. I showed one of the guys how to get girls invested in you when I approached 2 Persian-Armenian girls. Johnny Wolf got a make out with a British girl. Both students got a few phone numbers and one was getting cozy with a girl really fast even though, by the end of the night, he only got a peck from her because she felt he was gay. Sigh…
Before we went home, Adam had to make a quick stop at the Roosevelt Hotel lobby. To my delight, we met up with Johnny Soporno and Neil Strauss for a bit. They were both hanging with their respective girlfriend(s) and it was good to see them again.
Saturday, the other 2 students showed up. Adam went over the three characters you need to master for being good at pickup: the social fun guy, the comfort guy and the seducer. These characters basically embody different energies you need to know how to project. We then continued with a lot of conversational exercises and the students got to role play how to keep interactions flowing with Amanda and Skyler Morgan, the porn star that Johnny Wolf brought in to help. We finally ended lecture with isolation, physical escalation and fashion talks.
I don’t want to give everything out but if you can, look up Adam Lyons’ triple kiss close technique and his “I don’t sleep with girls on the first night” rule. Those should give you entertaining ways of escalating with girls.
Saturday was a REALLY long day for most of us. We started at 11 a.m. and didn’t call it a night until 1:30 a.m. However, it was still enjoyable for me because Skyler Morgan and Carrie Moon made my dinner conversation interesting, some of my friends showed up to chill with us at Sky Bar and surprisingly, I also met Brenda Song!
I know you are going ask me who is Brenda Song. I didn’t know myself either when I chit chatted her and her friend up on the bed area near the pool. However, I looked her up based on the information she gave me and she’s one of the upcoming actress who is pretty popular on the Disney Channel.

I found her to be very cool! Obviously she’s cute but even though she’s not an A-list celebrity yet, she definitely didn’t have the bitchy attitude that would make even the hottest girl a pain to hang around with. Her girlfriend was really sweet too! If I have the chance, I wouldn’t mind seeing them again.
I bet a lot of you guys are going to ask me what I said to start the conversation with them. Honestly, I didn’t use any fancy lines. I didn’t know who she was. She was chatting with her girlfriend and I noticed she was holding a type of cigarette I have never seen before. I got curious so I asked was “what are you smoking? It looks like a cigar.” She let me take a puff out of her cigarette and you know what? That cigarette leaves a sweet taste on your lips. I’ve never had something like that but now I can say: “I shared a cigarette with Brenda Song!”
From there, we just started talking. I wasn’t trying to impress her. She wasn’t trying to impress me. Her and her girlfriend were both nice and we enjoyed each other’s company. I think that’s what’s important. Guys learning game sometimes forget how simple it is to talk to strangers. They make it way more complicated than it really is. They want to run “game”. It doesn’t matter who you are talking to, whether they are wealthy or poor, famour or not. If you treat them normally like a human being, they’ll talk to you. If you like each other, chemistry might build up between you two.
Anyway, let’s get back to topic. Sunday, Adam covered how to setup dates and when to use text and phone calls to contact girls. We tried going to the Highlands to show the guys how to approach during the day but it was packed! That entire area was closed off for the Oscars.
As we took a break a the local Famina store, Johnny Wold had the greatest idea. We were going to prank Adam and Amanda. As they were sitting on the patio, we walked up to them and pretended they were celebrities. We acted super excited to recognize them and we asked to take a bunch of pictures with them. It was hilarious! Lots of random people didn’t know what was going on so they stopped to see what the ruckus was all about
Anyway, the entire weekend was a total blast! I think the guys got a lot out of it. I personally found Adam, Amanda and Johnny to be as personable as ever and I think that’s what made it so enjoyable. The bootcamp was a good mix of theory, exercise and real life practice. Things never got boring. Each of the instructors brought a unique perspective to the guys for understanding how to build charm and charisma.
Maybe it’s just me but having a quality female instructor in Amanda was a tremendous positive. There was something magical about having her around. Amanda made it easy for the students to “practice” the skills they were learning. Instead of having a bunch of guys overanalyze what they were doing right or wrong, Amanda helped them put things into perspective by roleplaying situations with her. She was a woman. She knew how to respond to them and she kept the mood light.
Overall, I have no reserves adding Adam Lyons to my list of “best guys to learn game from”. If you are shopping around for bootcamps, give him a quick look before you decide.
As for me, I can’t want for him and Amanda to come back so we can go hang out together.
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February 26th, 2008 at 9:35 am
love you, khiem. you are great… im glad we got to hang out this weekend.
February 26th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Yea, what-a-weekend! No audio/video training can compare with an actual bootcamp. Adam, Johnny, and Amanda are all great people and great instructors. But I want to particularly thank you for all the extra effort you put into to getting me on the right path.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Khiem, that was an amazing write up as usual. Your blog entries are always really enjoyable to read and very detailed. Thanks again for coming out as an approach coach to help out, you’re great.
March 15th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Wow, this is some good stuff, very infomative. Always a fan of your work Khiem. That was funny how Lyons such totally ignored the fact that Ivanka Trump was right in his face, guess he was too good for her lol. Just came by to thank you for all the infomative posts helping fellow asians like me.